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temperance and justice present with him and be happy, not suffering his lusts
to be unrestrained, and in the never-ending desire satisfy them leading a
robber’s life. Such a one is the friend neither of God nor man, for he is
incapable of communion, and he who is incapable of communion is also
incapable of friendship. And philosophers tell us, Callicles, that communion
and friendship and orderliness and temperance and justice bind together
heaven and earth and gods and men, and that this universe is therefore called
Cosmos or order, not disorder or misrule, my friend. But although you are a
philosopher you seem to me never to have observed that geometrical equality
is mighty, both among gods and men; you think that you ought to cultivate
inequality or excess, and do not care about geometry.—Well, then, either the
principle that the happy are made happy by the possession of justice and
temperance, and the miserable miserable by the possession of vice, must be
refuted, or, if it is granted, what will be the consequences? All the
consequences which I drew before, Callicles, and about which you asked me
whether I was in earnest when I said that a man ought to accuse himself and
his son and his friend if he did anything wrong, and that to this end he should
use his rhetoric—all those consequences are true. And that which you thought
that Polus was led to admit out of modesty is true, viz., that, to do injustice, if
more disgraceful than to suffer, is in that degree worse; and the other position,
which, according to Polus, Gorgias admitted out of modesty, that he who
would truly be a rhetorician ought to be just and have a knowledge of justice,
has also turned out to be true.
And now, these things being as we have said, let us proceed in the next
place to consider whether you are right in throwing in my teeth that I am
unable to help myself or any of my friends or kinsmen, or to save them in the
extremity of danger, and that I am in the power of another like an outlaw to
whom any one may do what he likes,—he may box my ears, which was a
brave saying of yours; or take away my goods or banish me, or even do his
worst and kill me; a condition which, as you say, is the height of disgrace. My
answer to you is one which has been already often repeated, but may as well
be repeated once more. I tell you, Callicles, that to be boxed on the ears
wrongfully is not the worst evil which can befall a man, nor to have my purse
or my body cut open, but that to smite and slay me and mine wrongfully is far
more disgraceful and more evil; aye, and to despoil and enslave and pillage,
or in any way at all to wrong me and mine, is far more disgraceful and evil to
the doer of the wrong than to me who am the sufferer. These truths, which
have been already set forth as I state them in the previous discussion, would
seem now to have been fixed and riveted by us, if I may use an expression
which is certainly bold, in words which are like bonds of iron and adamant;
and unless you or some other still more enterprising hero shall break them,
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The Complete Plato
- Title
- The Complete Plato
- Author
- Plato
- Date
- ~347 B.C.
- Language
- English
- License
- PD
- Size
- 21.0 x 29.7 cm
- Pages
- 1612
- Keywords
- Philosophy, Antique, Philosophie, Antike, Dialogues, Metaphysik, Metaphysics, Ideologie, Ideology, Englisch
- Categories
- Geisteswissenschaften
- International