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pick a quarrel with you, but rather to those who, when the charm of youth has
left you, will show their own virtue. Remember what I have said; and
consider yet this further point: friends admonish the lover under the idea that
his way of life is bad, but no one of his kindred ever yet censured the non-
lover, or thought that he was ill-advised about his own interests.
‘Perhaps you will ask me whether I propose that you should indulge every
non-lover. To which I reply that not even the lover would advise you to
indulge all lovers, for the indiscriminate favour is less esteemed by the
rational recipient, and less easily hidden by him who would escape the
censure of the world. Now love ought to be for the advantage of both parties,
and for the injury of neither.
‘I believe that I have said enough; but if there is anything more which you
desire or which in your opinion needs to be supplied, ask and I will answer.’
Now, Socrates, what do you think? Is not the discourse excellent, more
especially in the matter of the language?
SOCRATES: Yes, quite admirable; the effect on me was ravishing. And
this I owe to you, Phaedrus, for I observed you while reading to be in an
ecstasy, and thinking that you are more experienced in these matters than I
am, I followed your example, and, like you, my divine darling, I became
inspired with a phrenzy.
PHAEDRUS: Indeed, you are pleased to be merry.
SOCRATES: Do you mean that I am not in earnest?
PHAEDRUS: Now don’t talk in that way, Socrates, but let me have your
real opinion; I adjure you, by Zeus, the god of friendship, to tell me whether
you think that any Hellene could have said more or spoken better on the same
subject.
SOCRATES: Well, but are you and I expected to praise the sentiments of
the author, or only the clearness, and roundness, and finish, and tournure of
the language? As to the first I willingly submit to your better judgment, for I
am not worthy to form an opinion, having only attended to the rhetorical
manner; and I was doubting whether this could have been defended even by
Lysias himself; I thought, though I speak under correction, that he repeated
himself two or three times, either from want of words or from want of pains;
and also, he appeared to me ostentatiously to exult in showing how well he
could say the same thing in two or three ways.
PHAEDRUS: Nonsense, Socrates; what you call repetition was the especial
merit of the speech; for he omitted no topic of which the subject rightly
allowed, and I do not think that any one could have spoken better or more
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The Complete Plato
- Title
- The Complete Plato
- Author
- Plato
- Date
- ~347 B.C.
- Language
- English
- License
- PD
- Size
- 21.0 x 29.7 cm
- Pages
- 1612
- Keywords
- Philosophy, Antique, Philosophie, Antike, Dialogues, Metaphysik, Metaphysics, Ideologie, Ideology, Englisch
- Categories
- Geisteswissenschaften
- International