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THEAETETUS: He cannot. SOCRATES: Then he who does not know what science or knowledge is, has no knowledge of the art or science of making shoes? THEAETETUS: None. SOCRATES: Nor of any other science? THEAETETUS: No. SOCRATES: And when a man is asked what science or knowledge is, to give in answer the name of some art or science is ridiculous; for the question is, ‘What is knowledge?’ and he replies, ‘A knowledge of this or that.’ THEAETETUS: True. SOCRATES: Moreover, he might answer shortly and simply, but he makes an enormous circuit. For example, when asked about the clay, he might have said simply, that clay is moistened earth—what sort of clay is not to the point. THEAETETUS: Yes, Socrates, there is no difficulty as you put the question. You mean, if I am not mistaken, something like what occurred to me and to my friend here, your namesake Socrates, in a recent discussion. SOCRATES: What was that, Theaetetus? THEAETETUS: Theodorus was writing out for us something about roots, such as the roots of three or five, showing that they are incommensurable by the unit: he selected other examples up to seventeen —there he stopped. Now as there are innumerable roots, the notion occurred to us of attempting to include them all under one name or class. SOCRATES: And did you find such a class? THEAETETUS: I think that we did; but I should like to have your opinion. SOCRATES: Let me hear. THEAETETUS: We divided all numbers into two classes: those which are made up of equal factors multiplying into one another, which we compared to square figures and called square or equilateral numbers;—that was one class. SOCRATES: Very good. THEAETETUS: The intermediate numbers, such as three and five, and every other number which is made up of unequal factors, either of a greater multiplied by a less, or of a less multiplied by a greater, and when regarded as a figure, is contained in unequal sides;—all these we compared to oblong figures, and called them oblong numbers. 596