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Cleinias assented.
And knowing is having knowledge at the time?
He agreed.
And not knowing is not having knowledge at the time?
He admitted that.
And are those who acquire those who have or have not a thing?
Those who have not.
And have you not admitted that those who do not know are of the number
of those who have not?
He nodded assent.
Then those who learn are of the class of those who acquire, and not of
those who have?
He agreed.
Then, Cleinias, he said, those who do not know learn, and not those who
know.
Euthydemus was proceeding to give the youth a third fall; but I knew that
he was in deep water, and therefore, as I wanted to give him a respite lest he
should be disheartened, I said to him consolingly: You must not be surprised,
Cleinias, at the singularity of their mode of speech: this I say because you
may not understand what the two strangers are doing with you; they are only
initiating you after the manner of the Corybantes in the mysteries; and this
answers to the enthronement, which, if you have ever been initiated, is, as you
will know, accompanied by dancing and sport; and now they are just prancing
and dancing about you, and will next proceed to initiate you; imagine then
that you have gone through the first part of the sophistical ritual, which, as
Prodicus says, begins with initiation into the correct use of terms. The two
foreign gentlemen, perceiving that you did not know, wanted to explain to
you that the word ‘to learn’ has two meanings, and is used, first, in the sense
of acquiring knowledge of some matter of which you previously have no
knowledge, and also, when you have the knowledge, in the sense of reviewing
this matter, whether something done or spoken by the light of this newly-
acquired knowledge; the latter is generally called ‘knowing’ rather than
‘learning,’ but the word ‘learning’ is also used; and you did not see, as they
explained to you, that the term is employed of two opposite sorts of men, of
those who know, and of those who do not know. There was a similar trick in
the second question, when they asked you whether men learn what they know
or what they do not know. These parts of learning are not serious, and
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The Complete Plato
- Title
- The Complete Plato
- Author
- Plato
- Date
- ~347 B.C.
- Language
- English
- License
- PD
- Size
- 21.0 x 29.7 cm
- Pages
- 1612
- Keywords
- Philosophy, Antique, Philosophie, Antike, Dialogues, Metaphysik, Metaphysics, Ideologie, Ideology, Englisch
- Categories
- Geisteswissenschaften
- International