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SOCRATES: I think, friend, that we have now pretty clearly set forth the class to which mind belongs and what is the power of mind. PROTARCHUS: True. SOCRATES: And the class to which pleasure belongs has also been long ago discovered? PROTARCHUS: Yes. SOCRATES: And let us remember, too, of both of them, (1) that mind was akin to the cause and of this family; and (2) that pleasure is infinite and belongs to the class which neither has, nor ever will have in itself, a beginning, middle, or end of its own. PROTARCHUS: I shall be sure to remember. SOCRATES: We must next examine what is their place and under what conditions they are generated. And we will begin with pleasure, since her class was first examined; and yet pleasure cannot be rightly tested apart from pain. PROTARCHUS: If this is the road, let us take it. SOCRATES: I wonder whether you would agree with me about the origin of pleasure and pain. PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? SOCRATES: I mean to say that their natural seat is in the mixed class. PROTARCHUS: And would you tell me again, sweet Socrates, which of the aforesaid classes is the mixed one? SOCRATES: I will, my fine fellow, to the best of my ability. PROTARCHUS: Very good. SOCRATES: Let us then understand the mixed class to be that which we placed third in the list of four. PROTARCHUS: That which followed the infinite and the finite; and in which you ranked health, and, if I am not mistaken, harmony. SOCRATES: Capital; and now will you please to give me your best attention? PROTARCHUS: Proceed; I am attending. SOCRATES: I say that when the harmony in animals is dissolved, there is also a dissolution of nature and a generation of pain. 890